Trust Your Inner Wisdom: A Conversation with Cheryl Brewster | 006

You're listening to the Sacred She Reset podcast. If

you're a woman in midlife who's done doing this alone and

ready for real conversations, real wisdom, and real

radiance, you're exactly where you need to be. I'm your

host, Sharea Sharna. Your path to radiance starts

here.

Welcome everyone. I have a beautiful

guest with me today. Her name is Cheryl Bruce.

And she helps leaders lead powerfully through

uncertainty with clarity, calm, and confidence.

She blends neuroscience, intuition, and practical strategy

to help leaders make decisions that matter most.

With over 2 decades of experience leading and developing people

across the corporate, entrepreneurial, and nonprofit sectors,

Cheryl brings deep insight and a practical, heart-centered

approach to leadership. Her signature intuitive leadership

system, has helped a variety of leaders regulate stress,

trust their inner wisdom, and lead with greater impact

in higher stakes moments. Welcome, Cheryl. It is an

honor to have you here. Thank you.

It's my pleasure. And I'm so excited for the conversation we're going to have today.

Yeah, me too. We've just been chatting, haven't we? And it's, I feel like we

should have had the record button running already because there was just some beautiful moments.

But yeah, I feel like everyone's going to enjoy this episode so

much. And I feel very honored that you said yes. So thank you for joining

me. This conversation started

for me, I just felt this was really aligned with Cheryl because we've,

we're on a very similar path at the same time. And

Cheryl shared in one of our last calls, it was one of our coaching

calls where she shared how she's moving through some really big

changes in her life right now. And as you know, this

podcast is about moving through the midlife transition

and where we might be overriding ourselves. And,

uh, I just felt Cheryl's conversation was going to be really

important, not only to share the magic that she has for us

today and her work in the world, but also for

some of the beautiful women out there that are transitioning through difficult times. And so

Cheryl, if you had to describe this season of your life right now

in one word, what would it be?

Well, in one word, this season of my life is

transformational.

Mm. And moving from one level of

consciousness to another and really

invoking the word trust.

Yeah. And You know, we've all had

experiences where we've had great successes in

life and also experiences where we're going, I've not

done this before. I don't know what to do with this.

So that layer and level of just opening up to the deeper power

within us and taking time to pause

and to check in with it and knowing that

that is not only the most sacred thing we can do, the

most important thing we can do.

Yeah. And so much of my life, in

retrospect, for most of us, I think, is

where have we abandoned ourselves to take care of

others or to take care of creating a living?

And so at this time in history,

in this critical place in the history

of humanity, I just feel there's a deeper calling

for all of us to say, what's my part? What

can I do? And to really disregard any

sense of being a victim or any

sense of being a pawn in someone else's matrix.

No, I create the reality from my thoughts, my

perceptions, my viewpoint. So is it the reality I really want to

create? Yeah, 100%. And I

feel like that's so fitting to the message I'm sharing with my audience.

It's so, so aligned straight away. And so

these, this feeling of trust and transformation

that's really present for you right now, because I know that you've been moving through

without getting personal and sharing too much. It's like,

I know I'm aware that you've been moving through some things.

And you said something, you said something to me or

to us on that call, and it was around being able to move through this

no matter what's happening. And I don't have the exact words.

And so I'm just wondering where that comes from with you, within you,

and what, what that's teaching you in this season of your life.

Like, how is that? How are you working with that energy?

I'm very, very grateful. for intuition.

Intuition is something that has literally

called me out of different circumstances in my life and put me on a whole

new timeline, a whole new trajectory. Yeah. What I noticed in

my life was that every time I was in the midst of a breakthrough, something

catastrophic would happen around me. And

so I, over many years, this

pattern started to reveal itself. I'm going, oh,

Isn't that interesting where this time

I'm able to hold my center? This time

I'm able to not go into fear.

I've got a family member who's really

struggling right now with some health issues that are,

within months, they may not be here.

So it's really compelled me at an

even deeper level, you know, what is the meaning of my

life? Am I truly showing up for those that I love? Am I

truly showing up for myself in the

way that I

can have peace with?

Yeah. And you know, the beautiful part is that through

many years of application, many years of study, many years of practice

to be able to come out the other side. And there's been more than one

event. There's been several where, you know, people's lives are at

stake, where I'm able to

be in the energy and

faith of trust, bigger picture,

this creative intelligence that has

brought us into this world. There's a

bigger picture for all of us and we can trust it and we don't have

to go into the heartbreak and the sorrow

and the suffering that we have in the past.

Yeah, I totally agree with you because I also have this,

just this, the trust is there and I trust that

guidance that's coming through from our creator, from the divine.

And You know, I've been sitting with the question

lately and even in a few of my own interviews that I've had where I've

been interviewed about my recent book and talking about

grief and trust. And it's like, well, how do we cultivate that? Like

where, so where for you, Cheryl, was that point,

that crossing over point of like where you perhaps

were allowing the

surrounding chaos and everything that was happening in life to

affect you? So there's like you having this reaction to that.

Opposed to that now where you find yourself where you're in

complete trust and you're in this season of your life of

transformation, you know, because a lot of people will be going, well, how do I

get there? You know, it's, and we'll talk about some practical value in

a little while, but more from your own story, like where,

give us a little bit of backstory, Cheryl, of how you cultivated

this and how this has become for you. Sure, absolutely.

You know, I think the defining moment for me

was what I learned from studying neuroscience,

which is self-regulation, emotional intelligence. And it's

been around for a long time. Yeah. A breakthrough moment for

me was really understanding biology,

understanding that I have a primal brain that totally discounts the

positive. And its only

job is to keep me safe, and it will do so at all costs.

So, you know, I remember as a young mother with

my kids, it's like, you know, losing my

patience and then regretting it. And I

often wondered like, what's wrong with me? But, you know, I have faith, I have

trust, and yet why can't I seem to just hold it together? Why am

I always going into stress? So discovering the

biological physiological implications of the nervous system

was just life-changing because

it was like, oh, that's why I do what I

do. So learning how to self-regulate, learning how to use the breath,

learning how to take a moment and pause

restored this ability to choose.

Rather than be a victim of my biology,

rather than be run by raw emotion. So that

was life-changing. And it took, you know, it took time.

However, the more I studied it and the more I trained in it, the more

I began to realize that, wow, you know what? When we

work with the unconscious mind, these changes

can happen very, very quickly. And the beauty is

they're permanent. So

my defining moment, which takes me, you know, into

being able to honestly say,

even though there are, you know, 3 separate different crises, what I would

call crisis in my life right now,

I am so grateful to be so grounded

and to be in alignment

with the higher power within me.

Whose perspective is very different than my human biology.

Yeah. It's kind of, and it sounds crazy,

right? I know, and it's surreal. And

in those moments when I find myself slipping, it's like, wait a minute,

this is the practice. And in the past, I used to judge

myself and I used to go, you know, say to myself,

well, what's wrong with you? Like, why this is still here? And it's like, well,

so it's like a, a total, I wanna

say, viewpoint

perspective. And it does take

practice and repetition. So what I love what you're

up to, and we're on similar paths here, is

to be so in alignment with your personal conviction

that no matter what happens in life, you

know you're exactly where you need to be. And that

is priceless. Yeah. And this sort of

feeds into what we were chatting about before we started recording about this

conviction piece, right? It's like, you know,

to have that unwavering, I love that unwavering trust.

And I know I've been questioned many times in the past. I've got a lot

of girlfriends going, wow, I feel really inspired about what you're doing

because you have this capacity to just drive it. And I feel like a

lot of that for me actually

came from doing life the

hard way. Yes. As you know as

well, like you've experienced this of like judging

yourself and going through that, like that process of like,

you know, oh, I could have been a better person here and da da da.

And, you know, I think that just

sheer forcing and willing and I

say pushing shit uphill through a lot of my

life has actually helped

me, supported me in being the person I am today. Because if I

hadn't have gone through all that stuff, because I don't have any regrets about all

the trauma, everything, there's a lot of stuff there, but it has

actually helped me to

build this resilience. Now

it's not a resilience where I'm overriding myself, but it's a resilience

of trust and certainty and conviction and a certainty

that I know myself. I love myself. I trust myself

enough to know that I've got me because at the end of the day,

take everything else away. We're really,

I say on our own. I know collectively we're all together, but it's just that

our journey with the creator and our

personal relationship that we have. And it's

cultivating that. And so I know so many, I would say

people, but I work with women. And so women really

struggle with this questioning of themselves, but we have this

innate wisdom within us, this divine compass

that is there. And tuning into that is the

frequency, tuning into that is the practice.

And then we often steer from that and

start overriding and caregiving too much. And then we

can go into the opposite side of things where we start having resent and all

these sorts of things. So this, I feel like it's a really,

it feels like we're walking a tightrope sometimes, right?

You know, so it's like how in your life and in your work

and what you've seen with the leaders you work with and even with

yourself, because obviously it's that journey of the self to get to where we are

now, now to be working with others. Yeah. people the way we do.

You know, what have been those really slippery moments where you've

just, it's kind of been on that edge of making that decision

of it's this side or this side sort of thing.

And I hope that makes sense. I just, there's just so much in that. It's

really juicy. So take that wherever you want to take that.

Yes. When you, when you've walked these paths, it

makes sense. There's juice there. So if we can kind of bring, ground that in

and ground that down for,

you know, some of the ladies out there, you know, how can we,

how can we ground this in for them so that we're speaking the language

of where they might be right now? They might be just on that threshold of

where you and I and many women have been. And so

how, how do we support ourselves? How do we,

how do we not repeat it, repeat those patterns?

Exactly. Exactly. So what I have

found to be very, very helpful for me is to

think of life like a movie and to

take a step back and watch myself.

And there's something called the tension of opposites.

Yeah. And so, as I was thinking about this and I put my

program together and my system of, oh, oh,

it's It's like, if life is

a movie, it's like a, you know how we have nighttime dreams?

Well, if we look at our waking life as

like a dream, only it's real. Yeah.

We're not, you know, and yet we are creating this

reality based on our perception. Our perception may be

clear or it may be somewhat confused.

If we go back to biology and physiology,

our primal brain has one agenda, just to keep

us safe. That's it. So using the analogy of a

movie, I began to realize, oh, is my

life a Gong Show, a horror show, or the epic

adventure of my life? Because— What a great question.

That's a good one to reflect upon out there, listeners. Great. Are

you living a horror movie or what? No, thank you.

It reminds me when I was giving birth to my

first son. I was in such agony. I had back labor and I

bent over. My knees are on a stool. I'm bent over on the bed.

I'm pulling my hair out. And no kidding, I had the experiences

of this, like, oh my, I'm stuck in a

B-movie and I can't get out because of the amount

of pain I screamed out. Oh

my gosh. It was a terrible feeling. I can't get

out of this, right? Like, I'm like, so anyway. You're in it.

Yeah. So, so I have found that to be so powerful

because, you know, when we're, when we're emotionally triggered,

it's like, whoa, you know, and, and then to be able to

use the breath as a pattern interrupt, come back and go, wait a minute,

take a step back. And so, You know, I've

created this intuitive leadership quiz where we're looking

at movie as metaphor and, you know, what is

your leading archetype right now? So is it the

stressed out actor on the stage or

is it the one who's really owning presence? So, you know, these different

archetypes will come into play where we have these,

you know, like cut. Act 1, scene 2.

Um, I love this because it sounds— this, this to me, and this

really feeds into what I bring a lot of as well, is around play.

Yeah. Connecting with joy. And so as soon as you said, are you being

like an actor on the stage or are you, you know, you're cool, calm, and

collected. It's, it's a wonderful opportunity for us to really step

outside of ourselves and just, and watch, you

know, watch the thoughts, what's going on here. You know, I kind of have

this thing of where. I'm taking, it's a little bit like your

movie, uh, you know, watching the movie of our life

where I take myself out of myself and kind of take a wider

view and look in and, and go, okay, how am I behaving

here? What is happening in this moment? Am I responding

or am I reacting? You know, so this, this is wonderful.

It sounds super playful. Tell me more about this, this, what,

what you're doing with these archetypes. This sounds really interesting. Yeah. Well,

I love them. You know, I've studied Carl Jung and the

psychology of spiritual awakening. And

I just love this reminder

that we are, we not only have our personal

consciousness, but we are part of a collective consciousness.

And these archetypal energies are very real. And we're in the middle,

if we're really close to a breakthrough, That's when

it's, we're in a very vulnerable state, a

powerful state, yet a vulnerable one, because that's

when archetypal energies can become really activated.

And when that happens, the key difference is

to be aware of the archetypal energies rather than become

them. So to use an example,

You know, with everything I've gone through in my life,

one of the

leading archetypes, again, I wanna come back to the

actor, is because when people are on your

stage, we can look at them as

being, oh, there they go again, they're triggering me. Well, they wouldn't be

triggering you if you didn't already have something inside you to be triggered.

Yeah, right. So then it's very

humbling when you go, ooh. And so

this is where I think 2 things really, really help when we're in the

middle of really difficult transformation, uh,

because I don't think we need to

make it as difficult and painful as we do. That's been

my big lesson. Yeah, I couldn't agree more. I think there's

just, there's a real opportunity for us to you know,

look at like, let's go for say the triggering when you're triggered and

it can be so easy to say, oh, that person is triggering me or

I'm activated by this over there or whatever. But in

actual fact, that is an opportunity to, it is a total

opportunity to go inward, to go, oh, this

is actually, thank you. Actually, thank you so much.

Because this is an opportunity to, for me to see where there's more

work to do and That's going to be prickly as

hell. Sometimes it's really uncomfortable,

but it's in those uncomfortable moments where we grow the most.

And sometimes it's hard to really look at ourselves in the mirror, right, Cheryl? And

just take stock and really look at

that for what it is. And often it can be a partner who's

someone very close to us. I know, you know, sort of bringing it

back to women traveling through midlife and the

journey they're navigating through with all the changes, there's so

much going on, and that we can be quite triggered from

children, from loved ones, from partners, from friendship groups.

And, you know, and so finding,

you know, how we can support ourselves and connecting with how we can

support ourselves in that and knowing that there's

always room for growth. There's always room

for more. And, you know, I guess that

brings me to the point of having conversations

with people around us that can be a little bit uncomfortable. You know,

when you're triggered and you've got this happening in your life, Cheryl, you know, what

is some of the things you think people, what women can do in those

situations, especially navigating really big change? Because we, we both

know how time-consuming that is and how energetically draining

that can be as well. What are some of the things people can do practically

to help support themselves? themselves during this

time? You know, what are some of the practical

tools and suggestions you might have that might be

about the archetypes or might movie in the mind type

thing? You know, what advice have you got there?

Yeah, that's such a good question. And

if I had my life to live all over again, this is the

advice I would give myself, which is what my

archetype system is about. Looking at your

life as a movie is a really, really powerful tool because

it creates some distance from the emotion that's taking you over.

So when we observe something, we've

removed the energetic attachment.

Hmm. And we calm down the nervous system.

And so even just You know, taking a step back, look at your life

as a movie, just take a deep breath. The breath

is powerful because as soon as we begin to breathe

more consciously with more awareness, we're triggering our

nervous system that it's okay. We're okay.

When that happens, now anything is possible.

The part that felt disconnected and in panic can

come back home. It can come back to center. It can feel safe. And

when we feel safe, then

whatever was causing the problem, now we have access to solutions

that we couldn't see before. So my

greatest piece of advice really is, okay, if this was a movie,

watch it. You can pretty much predict what's going to

happen if you stay where you are. Mm-hmm. And then

learn self-regulation, learn those self-regulation tools

because they will literally save your bacon. They'll save your life, truly.

And one of the fast-track ways of doing that I have found in my experience

is to bring myself back to gratitude for what I do

have. Mm-hmm. Because the primal brain is

consumed with what it doesn't have.

And that will lead to

paralysis, it'll lead to numbness, or it'll lead

to overreaction. So for me, it was

life-changing looking at my life as a movie. And even before I

knew and understood all the neuroscience, even when I was younger,

I had that ability within me naturally. Going into

a job interview, I'd pretend I already had the job. And I mean,

It works. So it does work. It

works. And it's like, oh, well, if it works and I know it

works. So here's another really key piece

is gratitude helps you appreciate what you've already

accomplished. So with gratitude, you're coming

from strength, not trying to get to it. You're

coming from a prosperity consciousness, rather than

trying to get to it. And one of the things I've certainly learned and

discovered the hard way is the more you really want something, the more pressure

you can put on yourself and the more you're actually pushing it away rather than

bringing it in. Absolutely. And I feel like you can

end up falling into the category of

procrastination. Yes. I find

whenever I've been in that spot in the past, it's the energy levels drop, you

start to feel tired, you start to get distracted.

And so I feel like they're sort of the body speaking and they're

markers and signals and signs to

say something needs to shift and perhaps I'm not in

alignment right now. Would you say, would you agree with that, Cheryl?

Absolutely. And in the past, for

example, I'm working with one client right now. In the

past, he would have disregarded that. And now I'm saying, no, no, no, pay

attention. And so now when he pays attention, he goes, Oh

my, I'm seeing things I never saw before. And I said, that's

right, because you were honoring your body's

wisdom. And we intellectualize

so much these days. So it's just something as simple as saying,

you know, where in my body is this energy being held?

Gets us out of the ruminating mind and gets us into

the activation so that this energy can move through, which frees us from the

procrastination. and the

self-sabotage and all those things,

which in a way is really useful

biofeedback. And that was the other big thing that I just so

love. I have to say this out loud. What if procrastination and

self-sabotage, rather than judging them,

what if we looked at them as biofeedback tools?

100%. Letting us know that somewhere, oh,

I agree with you so much here, Cheryl. Like, we're speaking the same language

and I'm, I'm loving this because it, it speaks so

to the audience that's listening, to the women who are

really in, in that space of perhaps not listening

to the, the body's wisdom enough. Yes. And, or

have been overriding it. I know that's been a big thing

for me, not me personally, but the What I've been speaking a lot about

lately is the override and we override those

messages. But that all of that, the procrastination,

all of the things where we go, oh, we're out of alignment, it's a time

to listen. And it's, it's a big call

to come within and to change

things and start to shift things. And like you were saying, Cheryl, come back to

the breath. It's a really basic thing that we can all do. It's something

that we do. on autopilot, otherwise we wouldn't be here

today, you know, but to actually become a little bit

more conscious about how we're breathing and slowing that

down and coming back into rhythm and

balance. Is there any other, any other

tips or practical tools that you

can, you can offer our listeners today, Cheryl, where

it feeds into what you're offering and what you're sharing in the world

and perhaps this piece around where we

might be experiencing the procrastination and overriding the

system. Again, I would bring it

back to what

lens am I looking through? Again, am I looking through the lens of

judgment or am I looking through the lens of

Yeah. One of the things about an open and closed mindset,

which will make or break us, is a closed

mindset is very concerned about

image, very concerned about

not wanting to appear vulnerable or

not wanting to appear as if not knowing something. Whereas a

mindset would rather learn and grow. And

it's interesting, you know, when you study again the neuroscience

and some of the most successful companies in the world, I forget

which company this is, but it only hires people who have had

massive failures in business. Yeah, I love it.

Because they know that they've learned something and they're still willing to try. Yeah,

absolutely. Versus someone who, you know, has this track of,

you know, super successful. And

I just love this story that that opened up for me

because I thought, wow, there's so much

anxiety performance, I think, on all of us. I think we grew up

with it. And so there's a fear of being wrong. There's a fear of making

a mistake. There's a fear of not knowing enough. And

so there's this stigma of perfection

that we all are consumed by or

surrounded by. And look at the

commercialism and the consumption. You know,

we're surrounded by needing to

be better than we are. Well, what if we're already good enough?

Yeah. And what if we haven't appreciated that? And this is why

gratitude's so important, because the very thing we want

will push away if we're not coming from a gratitude for what we already

have. Mm. And that right there

is so powerful, what you just said around gratitude.

And I feel that we,

like you say about the commercialism and everything and what's happening where

we're just comparing ourselves to others on

platforms where that's not people's real life. Like that's not what's actually

going on for people. That's not what they're really like at home.

And, and so we're. striving to be

something that is actually really unrealistic and it's not obtainable.

It's not sustainable in any way, shape, or form.

And so it's like, what if you're already good enough?

You know, what, what you, what if God has made you exactly

the way you need to be right here, right now with everything you've been through,

where you are, everything you're about to experience and accepting that.

And I think there's this piece around brings it back to the

trust. And how we step into transformation and trust

is huge. But when we almost

become, I'm going to use the word surrender, but it's more than that.

There's this, it's, the word is humble.

When we, we, we just, we

soften and we open and we become humble

to what is. Yes. And, and then

really appreciate You know, oh my God,

we have everything we need. I mean, I've, I feel

like a queen. Do you know what I mean? And I've got a roof over

my head. I've got food on my table. I've got clean water.

I get to have a shower every day. And I mean, like, they're just basic

survival things, but why are we not just

bringing it back to basics and, you know, and

feeling gratitude for All, all that and just

the beauty of just eliminating all the other things,

all the things we own and just going, why am I just not grateful that

I've actually got food on my belly? There's people out there who won't

get a meal tonight. They're not eating, you know,

and, you know, we, we then kind of go,

oh, but I don't have this widget or this, or I don't look good enough

or. Mm-hmm. Yeah, just embracing

ourselves for who we are and

giving gratitude, like you say, Cheryl, it's so important.

So, so important. If we don't, uh,

start changing our ways, the

voraciousness of this, uh,

this infection of the mind will continue. And

so this is where personal responsibility to live

our joy. Nietzsche said, you have a noble duty to live

your joy. And I love that. Absolutely.

Because it's like we begin to realize, and

again, let's look at life as a movie. As you observe your

life right now and And when you bring

gratitude for what you already have,

there's a pressure release that takes place.

And now you're taking, you're taking dictation

from flourishing rather than

separation or suffering. Mm-hmm. So

my perspective is this, is that we're each creating our own reality.

We think the world is out there, but it really isn't. The

world is created from our thoughts, our

perceptions, our actions, our feelings, our behaviors.

So if that's the case, then,

you know, heaven and hell are not places, they're states of mind.

Mm-hmm. And I love what Helen Keller said. She said, I'm only one person, I

can't do everything, But I will not refuse to do the one thing I can

do. That is so beautiful. What a beautiful

quote. Can you, can you say that again? Because I just want, I want the

listeners to actually feel the energy of that. And if you're just

listening, I just, I want to just say, like, sitting here with

Cheryl, if you'll, you know, see her on video, if you do watch

this visually, she's just like, she's just like an angel, a glowing

angel, and she's just beautiful and she delivers her message so beautifully.

So I don't want to lose the thread. So can you say that

quote again for me, Cheryl? It was beautiful. Sure. And I'll

take that. I will take that. She's a beautiful

human, everybody. And I just, it's like there's

so much yumminess happening here and there's so many different threads we could go down.

So I just want to keep this container going.

So, uh, I'll repeat the quote again and

before I I'm just going to invite everybody.

I remember sitting at my desk in the corporate world

consumed by fear. And I

remember saying to myself, one day I hope I can be

free of this. And

I am. And I didn't think I could ever be

free of it. What I've come to recognize

is that even fear has a place in

transformation. And when we

drop the judgment of anything,

there's safe passage for everything to move through.

And, you know, and it is, I feel the emotion of that even as I

say it. So,

In the words of Helen Keller, I'm only one person and I can't do

everything, but I will not refuse to do the

one thing that I can do.

Just feel the energy of that. And so

hand on heart. Yeah. Just breathing into

that moment because we are all here. We've all got such

a beautiful, special gift that we're here to bring.

uniquely. And when we get out of our own way and we

do the work, and as I like to say, hug the cactus.

Hug the cactus. Yeah, it's a great one. I love it.

My partner, I always say, are we going to hug the cactus, have a conversation,

talk about the prickly bits? We have to, it's, there is

still fear and there's still hugging the cactus, there's still prickliness.

But it is so worth the journey and it is so

worth taking the time to work on ourselves

and overcoming and becoming that

version of ourselves of, as you said in the quote,

of doing that one thing. I'm doing that one thing that I'm here to do.

And we all have that. And so we don't

need to be taking someone else's IP

or, you know, it's taking that time with

ourselves, taking that time out to reflect and to

breathe and to be with ourselves and to actually

really discover who we are and what's going on within our

landscape. And what movie are we playing,

you know, and questioning that, you know, what is the

movie we're playing and how can you shift that You, and like

Cheryl's been saying, and I'm a true believer of this as well, it

first has to be in thought before it can manifest

in our, what we say, reality. And so what

is, what am I thinking? What am I, what movie am I playing?

And it's, we can all change that. Everybody has the ability

to change that. Which is, which is why, you know, in the,

uh, comparison of a movie, that's where the

screenwriter comes in. And it's like, okay, let's

write a different scene here. And now, and

so we have all these different archetypal energies. You know, we've

got the actor, the producer, the director, the audience, the screenwriter. And it's

like, we have all of them and

we'll lead predominantly from one or a combination.

Yeah. And each will have their strength and each will have their shadow.

And it's in the courage. And here's

another key piece. If there were 3 words I think that

are transformational in supporting

positive change, the first would be

courage. Mm-hmm. The second would be gratitude.

And the third would be conviction. Yeah.

And we put all these 3 together and we braid them together. That's a

solid anchor that is actually indestructible.

So in the movie of your life, again, it's

like, well, if everything in life happens for

me and not to me,

what choice will I make next?

What's that next Very simple step for me. And

sometimes it's so simple we miss it.

Absolutely. You know, simplicity is truth.

Complexity quite often is

ego masquerading as

intelligence. Absolutely. And

I think what you've just said right there is a really

wonderful wonderful piece

of not needing to overcomplicate those next steps.

And when we bring it into the subtlety of just

fine-tuning and simplifying, and that

next step could possibly be

making a cup of tea and sitting with a journal or whatever it is,

you know, or phoning a friend and having a conversation. It doesn't have to

be complicated, but

just in that awareness of, of

noticing where you are, first of all, and then

acknowledging and saying, I, I can make this

change. I have the courage to make this change. And I

trust in the process.

And Mm-hmm. Putting one step in front of the other with the

conviction and intention, because when we send those mixed

signals of stepping back and going, oh, I know I've done that many

times in my life. I step in with the ambition and I'm, it's

very different now for me. I must say, listeners, it's a very different game,

ballgame. But just the conviction piece is so important

because we're, we're sending the signal to the universe

that. We're showing up.

And so then, like Cheryl said, it's, we're braiding these all together.

You take courage, it's a, you take the step, you

trust in the process, you take the step forward,

you're braiding all those together, and then you've got this solid anchor.

And I think that is just wonderful advice. And it sounds

so simple, but it's not always that

easy, as we know. And you can repeat this process, like we can be repeating

this process. And I know also just bringing

this back to, in my recent book I just released, it's, I

talk a lot about this as well. So that's why I say we're

totally on the same page. It's such a beautiful conversation right now.

And I just also appreciate that you put this into a book. And I,

you know, I know what it takes to take something out of the

ethers and put it into physical form. That in itself,

is not only a birthing process, but a

demonstration of transformation. It's a

demonstration of abundance

because you've taken something out of nothing. And I

haven't read your book yet. I'm going to order it after we're done

this call because based on this conversation,

what you're working with is

It's like this breath of fresh air

where we're living in a time of

humanity's history that is so critical.

Absolutely. And I so appreciate you for what you're doing

and what you're up to here. Yeah, and right back at you

as well. Like, this is, I feel like there's just this

mirror reflection thing happening between us today. It's really beautiful.

Just, I'm so, so grateful. I

want to speak a little bit into when we don't be afraid of

exposure is the message I want to share as well, because

like you, Cheryl, the work you're putting into the world, we, we

have to show up really vulnerably and share pieces of ourselves.

And it's okay that things aren't perfect. They don't have to be

perfect. And because I know from

self-publishing a book, it's a lot of work, but I go through it and go,

oh yeah, there's improved needed here. There's probably a few little mistakes, but allowing

that to be seen and allowing yourself to be a little bit exposed

and be in that vulnerability, um, is really

important for your growth as well. Because you, yeah,

you have that sense of gratitude and you, you become humble in that

and go, oh, and you're just allow, allow

it to all just be as it needs to be and let it go.

Well said, well spoken. I think if anything, our only

job is to just let go, really.

Um, you know, there's a beautiful prayer that I

will often say to myself. Dear

God, help me accept the truth about

myself no matter how wonderful it is.

Oh, I love that prayer. I've got that actually written

down somewhere. And I'll share, I'm going to share that prayer

actually in the notes, the show notes, because that is such a

beautiful prayer. So simple and so

true. You know, instead of going, oh, you know, the truth about myself, no matter

how bad it is, like you just turn it into this, how

wonderful it is. So you're constantly opening up to

opportunity and possibility instead of,

you know, it's that natural default we have as human beings there.

Yeah. You know, the Velcro and the Teflon example where we,

you know, we naturally have a negative bias, you know,

towards the negative. And it does, it's a, it

takes work to turn that ship around and it's an

everyday thing. So yeah, listeners, you

need to start saying this prayer to yourself every day because it's a beautiful

prayer. It's beautiful. It's absolutely beautiful.

And so, Cheryl, this is, I think this is a

lovely note to, joyous note to start to wrap up on.

But I have, I do have a question for you.

And that is, if the

wisest, most radiant part of you could speak to the woman

you are becoming now, what would she want you to know?

I love that question. I

think she'd want me to know that having fun

is the elixir of life.

Oh, yes. I love that. And that a

sense of humor will take us out of the

seriousness of ourselves and

self-compassion.

will free us from

deceptive thinking.

Mm. That's like mic drop right there.

That's beautiful. Absolutely beautiful.

And I must say that you are looking absolutely radiant.

Well, I look forward to watching this after because I'm just so in the

zone here of So think

of it this way. It's like, it's

like, um, you know, long, long time

ago in a galaxy far, far

away. And the two of us

meet and, and, and the

connection's like this. And all of a sudden we're on a podcast together and it's

like, whoa.

And it's so great to be able to come together like this and let, let

it just roll with whatever it is and,

and have these conversations and laugh and cry and get it, get intimate and

deep. And, and that's what this is all about. It really

is. It's what this is all about. It's just beautiful.

And so before we finish, Cheryl,

Where is the best place for listeners to find you and explore more of

your work? Tell us a little bit more about that. Absolutely.

Well, I would love to hear anyone who listened to this podcast

from you. You can find me at theintuitivelife.com

and I have a

quiz for everyone who's listening to— Sounds

exciting. Yeah, it's called

intuitiveleadershipquiz.com and that's when you can find out

more about the archetype

that's currently in charge of your life and how you can better—

I think we all need to take this quiz, by the way, ladies. I

think there's a lot of value here.

And, you know, I think that that sense of play in what you

bring as well with the archetypes is wonderful. There's an

invitation there for some more play. And so I will

put all of this in the show notes and all of this wonderful juiciness

that we've shared today. But Cheryl, thank you. I've loved

this conversation and it really has

anchored in and reminded me of

the work you're doing, but what we're doing together, as in

my work as well, and how important and it's

needed in the world. And so I can't

thank you enough. This conversation has been awesome.

It's just been heart-centered and I

have so much gratitude for you showing up with me here

today and sharing this message.

Thank you. I think you've created a joy magnet in your podcast here

today. It's a joy magnet.

Yay. Oh, you're an amazing human. And so

I think in closing, let's sort of something for the listeners

to come back to and reflect upon from what we've been

talking about. And so I invite you

today to take what we've said with all the

pieces around courage and trust

and conviction. And

so where in your life have you been

asking for certainty? And where can

you trust yourself a little bit more? You know, where, where can you

create change? And reflecting on this, perhaps grabbing a

cup of tea and your journal and just really taking

this into your, into your body and your heart and

just noticing where you might need more certainty and where you can

trust yourself a little bit more deeply with that. And

so if you want to connect in the community and connect with

Thank you. Thank you so much, Cheryl. I'll pop everything in the show notes.

And you can join, if you want to join the Sacred She Reset community,

I will have all the links here as well where you can connect in and

find more of these conversations. And I look forward to seeing you

next time.